Too Fat To Work – Send Money

There follows, in this article, after the picture, a bunch of names and weights, reducing these people to numbers and letters. Nevermind that. There follows a description of the horrid fatty foods they are forced to eat because they don’t know and can’t afford any better. Let me tell you, “Bacon Butties” sounds good, and I would eat them without a second thought if I knew what they were and if they were as awesome as they sound. Or maybe they suck and home-pan-fried bacon is better – and I’ll eat that, too, if I want. (I ate 4 slices the other day and they were positively wonderful!) They tell us how many calories these people eat in a day, as though it’s relevant to anything. (3000, if you were wondering.) But…this entire article is a bilious and ludicrous mish-mosh of nonsense. They eat this, they wish they could eat that, but really it’s genetic, and the bottom line is they deserve more free* money. What in the hell kind of message is that? It doesn’t even make internal sense. They want more money for being fat and not working but they want to avoid street harassment for their weight by eating vegetables and fruits which they can’t afford because of us greedy fucks and if only they could they could lose weight and not be harassed and then they could work and not be harassed but it’s all really genetic. Go ahead, read it, see if it makes more sense than that.

Look, I want to support the cause of people who are fat and deserve the same rights as everyone else – ALL the rights AND RESPONSIBILITIES of everyone else. I will not judge you for being fat. But let me tell you something, I work with people who are easily TWICE the size of these people in the picture, who make, frankly, a fuck of a lot more money than I do. Who make, in fact, what I only dream about. They get a tad annoyed when they get deeper taxes taken out of their paychecks to pay free* money to people who just don’t WANT to work. Sometimes, if you are fat, I understand that you can’t do ALL the jobs anyone else can do. You might have to drive a hi-lo or sit at a desk and do shipping paperwork, you know? But why not do SOMETHING? Now if you, as I do, have real concerns like asthma, you have to find work that understands this and allows you to sit. Like in a hi-lo. Or behind a desk. You have a MIND don’t you? You can’t do ANYTHING? ALL you can do is leech off the rest of us, who are EVERY BIT AS FAT but have to EARN our daily bread?

EDIT: I dashed this off in a hurry, and re-reading it I don’t think I was careful enough to add disclaimers, and frankly that was careless of me. While I don’t believe in confiscatory tax dollars to be spent on programs that aren’t in the legitimate scope of the government, of *course* I know that A) some people really need help and in a civilized society there can and should be many types of voluntary charitable organizations and options to provide that help. Not everyone can work a wage job or farm the land and there are many genuine needs. There is no reason for people to starve in the streets and I know that people are generous enough to not want that (apart from a few objectivists who wouldn’t mind that very much and B) Reporters, and especially this one, are often jerks and this thing was so full of weird spin I didn’t know where to begin.

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13 comments on “Too Fat To Work – Send Money

  1. bigliberty says:

    Hey Annie,

    One thing I noticed in this article is that the author of the article itself is assuming that fat is the cause of “diabetes” and “epilepsy” (which is why at least one of them isn’t working), and the low total family income qualifies one of the daughters for school aid. So when it comes to “too fat to work” with a picture of all four of them, like that’s the whole story, well, it isn’t.

    And remember, if these people believe – like the journalist, obviously – that fat causes diabetes, epilepsy, purple spots, whatever – yet they know it’s genetic – they could say they’re “too fat to work” meaning that they believe their fat caused their other disabilities (which are the real reason they’re not working).

    You know that I agree re: state aid on all counts, and the galling idea of naked greed whilst on the dole, but I think the journalist really twisted the story to paint what the family was saying in the worst light possible.

  2. anniemcphee says:

    Oh, I noticed it all right. Which is why I didn’t really parse it all out, because it was so much nonsense. I absolutely understand that some people can not work, and do not begrudge them being given things that they need; I really, really don’t. In a civilized society there can and should be a good many voluntary systems in place whereby we don’t have people who are honestly disabled begging in the streets. I also don’t believe that out of all four of these people, not one is capable of doing *anything at all* to help themselves out at least to some degree. Though to their credit, I do see that at least one is seeking future employment by going for hairdressing, which is actually a pretty demanding physical job – if she can do that it’s odd that she can’t even, say, wait some tables or something of nights. But then again she claims she doesn’t even “have time” to exercise, so I guess there’s no time for that. Whatever happened to a little ingenuity and drive? Gah.

    Now if the one girl is really seeking a job, as that is what her benefit is based on, and there just isn’t any work, well that’s generally because of the socialist system in the first place – if you have a real free market in place, it isn’t as easy to just “get” money, but it’s almost always pretty easy to find some means of supporting yourself and helping your disabled family as well. I tell you, I wish you had been around during the Reagan years, when all you had to do was tell people you were available and you could have several offers the same day – they were looking for you, not the other way around. And that was with no higher education and no special skills beyond, say, typing. (One thing I do like nowadays is that you don’t have to dress like a fashion plate in most offices anymore. Then you had to really put on the ritz.) Or with an able body, any other kind of blue collar work. Upwardly mobile was a real thing for a time there, which is why all these turns in the opposite direction anger me so much. I’ve watched it go from horrible (70s) – double digit inflation and unemployment, (thanks, Nixon, Ford, and Carter) gas rationing, a president in a sweater telling us to turn the thermostat UP in the summer and DOWN in the winter, full 180 to a hella long boom with upward mobility out the wazoo, and back again to a coming mess. I know people think it’s bad now, but they haven’t seen anything yet. It gets a lot worse than this, and we’re doing *exactly* what it takes to get there. Same thing we did to get there in the late 70s early 80s.

    Also, EPILEPSY caused by fat??? I haven’t heard that one before, what the hell? Also, asthma caused by fat?? No, it isn’t. It just isn’t. That’s ridiculous. It can cause some breathing problems – there was that 700+ pound man whose fat was literally crushing his lungs and he was in very dire straights (I’m not sure he even survived), but that’s not what asthma is. I realize lipids play a part in surfactant issues, but adipose tissue in visceral fat causing chronic inflammation of alveolae and airways? On a cellular level like that? Doesn’t make sense to me. Unfortunately I passed on a textbook of cellular biology that I wish I’d read, but my brother and grandmother were lifelong asthmatics (and not fat children), I developed it later in life due to chronic bouts of bronchitis throughout life, and my daughter has developed it as well. My grandfather died of lung problems, and while he was old, he was always thin and very fit until then. It seems to me susceptibility has a lot more to do with genetics and air quality (more in the cases of cities) than freaking fat. I’m not a doctor but I am not buying these blanket blaming of EPILEPSY and asthma and everything else on fat.

    At any rate, while I realize I criticized the entitlementality evidenced here, my focus was not feeling angry with these people (because I don’t feel angry with them), but, as you rightly point out, mainly with the spin and the disgusting underlying assumptions (both political and regarding fat) in the article.

    Sigh. Since the government has made it its business to declare war on fat, and economics is tying in to the whole thing, it’s sometimes hard to write solely about fat without the politics and economics coming into it to some degree. But at least here there won’t be any “Well if they’d get off their asses and lose weight they could work” nonsense. At least here it won’t be *that*, it’ll be that my political/economic views aren’t especially popular 😉 Unfortunately people with my political/economic views are more likely to make the fat-bashing comments; and it’s hard to educate them singlehandedly. I’m working on it.

    Really, was it necessary to tell us all their weights as well as how many calories they take in every day? Really? The whole thing was like a train wreck.

    Sorry if I’m rambling; this one just got under my skin for so many reasons and I’m just not entirely sure how to express it all. I’ll be interested to hear other views on it.

  3. vesta44 says:

    I don’t know which of them has what disease, but I can tell you that even if you have diabetes, you can still work. I know this because my husband has type 2 diabetes, and takes insulin, and he works 12-hour days. So it’s a crock of shit to say that diabetes keeps one from working. I also know epileptics who work full-time jobs, they just have to be sure they take their medication on time, all the time, so that excuse is out. I’m not saying that their aren’t people who have these diseases and can’t work for other reasons, and no one knows anyone’s health well enough (like a doctor would) to be able to say this one is able to work, that one isn’t able to work, so we don’t really know anything about these people, other than what they’ve said and what the media has done with what they’ve said.
    What makes all this hissy fit-throwing possible is the fact that people who work and pay the taxes that support people who can’t work are pissed off because they have to work and can’t get “free” money for sitting on their asses at home. They think they’re giving people on the “dole” a free ride and everything is all peaches and cream for those on the “dole”. It’s not the fact that these people are on the “dole” that is outraging people so much, it’s the fact that people in general have all these stereotypical ideas about fat people and are applying those ideas to these people (fat, lazy, stupid, smelly, gluttonous, etc, etc, etc). You can bet your ass they’re just as pissed off at all the thin people who are on the “dole” as well, but those thin people didn’t “do” anything to deserve whatever illness keeps them from working (obviously, since they aren’t fat, they must have been “healthy” and it’s just bad luck that some illness/disability happened to them to keep them from being able to work and support themselves), whereas fat people, on the other hand, deserve any and all disrespect and illnesses they get because fat people are solely responsible for being fat (because really, if we would just get off our fat asses and exercise and quit eating so damned much food all the time, we’d be thin and healthy………..yeah, right /sarcasm). And of course, thin people on the “dole” aren’t nearly as newsworthy as fat people on the “dole”, nor are they as easy to hate and be angry with/at as fat people are. Fat people are a scapegoat on whom to blame everything that’s going wrong with a country so that the leaders of that country don’t have to take a serious look at how they’ve fucked up and then come up with sensible, sane ways to get out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves and the rest of their citizens. It’s easier to blame a scapegoat and keep on with business as usual. Sad thing is, they’re trying to do away with fat people, and when we’re gone, who is going to be the next scapegoat? Scary, isn’t it?

  4. anniemcphee says:

    “And of course, thin people on the “dole” aren’t nearly as newsworthy as fat people on the “dole”, nor are they as easy to hate and be angry with/at as fat people are.”

    Yes, that is absolutely true. It was one of the things that bothered me about it. I am not angry with people who genuinely need help, and I don’t think it’s all peaches and cream, either – life is hard for everyone in one way or another. I am angry at the system, and I am angry because working, for me, is a genuine hardship – it’s hard on my lungs, it’s hard on my body (the walk from the entrance to my office is an enormous trouble for me, for example) and the transportation and expense, all of it – and yet I really have no choice. There would be no way for me to survive the two year wait for SSDI, and even if I could get it, it probably wouldn’t suffice. Then I personally know people who go underground and refuse to work (one did it to get out of child support payments for his previous wife, and he was plenty able-bodied) and put everything in their new wife’s name and milk the system, who end up living a genuinely better and more prosperous life than I am able to without lifting a finger, and then COMPLAIN that they should get more…meantime I’m going through all this just to barely survive and I know that the money and goodies they get are coming from people like me (you and I know *some* people just know how to work the system, and work it they do) – well the combination of *those* factors really does make my blood boil. Hell, I have a cousin (by marriage) who gets massive alimony payments and SSDI and she’s a heroin/pill junkie, and SHE has this massive, massive entitlement complex. Meanwhile I’m killing myself to pay for her bullshit. Oh yeah, that kind of thing angers me very much. She makes a lot more in a month than my whole family, and gets pissed that it isn’t enough? For one person? WTF? Sigh. She blew through her big settlements, too – half the money for the sale of her house, big SSDI retro stuff, etc. Ok, I feel bad saying all this about her because I love her and all, but people like that are part of the problem; meanwhile people who genuinely need help don’t get enough thanks to scammers. I feel bad for addicts, but I’ve seen them blow their monthly welfare check in hours for crack, and selling food stamps for some rock…that sucks ass. And it is terrible that people who really do just need assistance get a bad rap because of people like that.

    And thanks, I really wanted to hear your perspective on this one as well. You always think of something I didn’t or find a way to put something into words that I couldn’t.

  5. vesta44 says:

    Yeah, I know what you mean about people who work the system. I know a guy who got hurt at work, has had 3 surgeries on his back, has an implant for back pain control, and is drawing SSDI (and SS for his 3 kids, plus his wife was working till she got laid off a month ago). He got his back SSDI, bought a house (I can understand that, ya gotta have a roof over your head), bought a newer truck (not a brand-new one, just newer than his old one). The thing that gripes my ass about the whole mess with him is that they get food stamps and medical assistance, in spite of the fact that he owns one house, is buying a second house in another state (1000 miles away), has 2 snowmobiles, a boat, a motor home, an ATV, a go-cart, a garden tractor, 3 trucks, an SUV, and 2 cars (he bought the 2 cars at an auction, can’t drive them till he gets them fixed and the state patrol inspects them, can’t sell them, no titles till they’re inspected). Now he’s talking about buying an old bank building and starting a second-hand store because he and his wife have been going to sales where storage companies are selling the household possessions of people who haven’t paid their storage bills (I know a couple of people who did that and went broke). Oh yeah, and when he got his back SSDI payments, along with the other things he bought, he also bought several rifles and pistols, plus the ammunition and equipment to reload said shells for the guns.
    He bitches all the time about how much pain he’s in when there’s work to be done around the house (repairs and such), but he’s in no fucking pain at all when he wants to ride his snowmobile or the go-cart or his ATV or when he wants to target-practice with his guns. He can do all of those things (and drive from MN to OK, where he’s buying that 2nd house), but he’s in too much pain to paint the living room or cook a meal for his kids when his wife is working or help out with housework or anything else.
    Then he has the nerve to sit and bitch about other people getting SSI/SSDI and how they’re milking the system and don’t deserve it.
    There are people getting government help that shouldn’t be, but the hoops through which you have to jump in order to get that help do more to prevent the people who really need the help getting it and not a whole hell of a lot to prevent people who know how to work the system from getting that help. If it was an isolated incident, I could pass it off, but it’s not (I knew a guy, when I lived in Illinois, who bragged about getting SSI for a non-existent back problem, because doctors can’t prove you don’t have back pain if you say you do). There are a lot of people who should be getting help and aren’t, and too many people getting help who shouldn’t be. Telling the difference between them isn’t easy, and the government doesn’t have the money to investigate all the cases of fraud that exist (especially since that investigation involves watching the person committing the fraud 24/7 for a long enough period of time to determine that they aren’t really totally disabled and completely unable to work, and then documenting the proof necessary to take the payments away from them). The whole system is a clusterfucktastrophe that wasn’t well-designed and is too easily taken advantage of by those who are unscrupulous (and it’s too under-staffed for government employees to do the investigation necessary to weed out the abusers of the system).

  6. La di Da says:

    The Telegraph is not fit to be used as toilet paper, it’s about on the level of journalistic quality as the National Inquirer, etc. Sensationalistic twaddle. It is ironic that they print stuff like this because most of their readership is, frankly, people who also benefit quite a lot from government support.

    As for asthma being caused by fat, hah. I had an allergist tell me it was likely some of my asthma was caused by my weight because of some inflammation hoo-ha. Three months after starting treatment for hypothyroidism, I’m nearly ready to stop needing my asthma medication (Advair and albuterol) at all.

    Because of my own diagnosis, I’ve done an awful lot or reading on hormonal issues in the past six months, and I’d be prepared to give an armchair diagnosis on the women in that picture having a cortisol issue, like Cushing’s disease, which has a very specific weight gain pattern of face and torso. Cushing’s is known to cause insulin resistance that leads to diabetes, excessive hunger, severe psychological symptoms, as well as…drum roll…epileptic symptoms such as seizures. It’s also hereditary. It makes me wonder if these women have fallen through the large cracks in the NHS. I know a lot of thyroid and other endocrine patients in the UK have had a hell of a time getitng diagnosed and treated because of lobbying by drug companies and actually raising diagnostic cutoff levels (instead of the falling cutoff levels seen in the USA) so that less people are diagnosed with a chronic condition that entitles them to free prescriptions for life. I’d be willing to put money on these people being victims of shoddy medical treatment, in fact. Easier to just tell the fattie they’ve got diabetes and their seizures must be epilepsy, and the reason they eat so much is obviously because they’re a glutton, instead of bothering to find out the root cause, eh?

    And a bacon butty is a white bread bacon sandwich. 🙂 Chip butties are also popular. As in, a french fry sandwich.

  7. richie79 says:

    Annie, I think it’s very much worth bearing in mind that this family have been badly mirepresented by several frankly evil sections of the British scum media. It’s the latest part of a long-running saga that began with the younger sister (Emma) auditioning for the X-Factor and being demolished by Simon Cowell – not because she was particularly bad (more nervous than anything) but because she wasn’t the standard size 8 required by these things and wearing a long dress that didn’t comply with the trash media standards for women’s attire (ie leaving only the barest minimum to the imagination). The parents then came in and (quite rightly) objected to his demeaning attitude toward their daughter, this cut no ice and after they’d left the room the judges giggled amongst themselves about the size of the family. I’ve already said I think fat people should steer clear of reality TV, and this whole sorry affair serves as the perfect illustration as to why.

    If you read around the topic a little (and virtually every media outlet in the UK has picked it up, even the venerable Beeb) it seems possible that the claims of the parents at least are genuine. Their lethargy and lack of enthusiasm may be a result of depression (I think I’d be depressed if I’d received death threats and been forced into hiding!) As for the two girls, I’m not their careers adviser so wouldn’t want to judge their attempts (or lack of) to find work, but suffice it to say that fat discrimination is very much an issue in this country, particularly in an image-conscious business like hair design, and our economy is absolutely on the floor, far more so than that of the US. With an estimated 3-500 people chasing every waiting or bar staff vacancy, many of them people who until a few weeks ago were degree-educated managerial-professionals, I would put Emma / Samantha’s chances of finding gainful employment in the near future as extremely slim.

    Don’t for a minute think I’m letting the family off the hook here; they have in several critical ways contributed to their own downfall. It all started with the X-factor audition, and I think young Emma should have done her homework on how fat people are treated by talent shows and accepted that it wasn’t going to provide her fairytale ending. And they’ve swallowed the Fantasy of Being Thin hook line and sinker, hence their attraction to weight-loss surgery as a way out of their predicament. They’ve continued desperately attempting to explain their side of the story to a media which they must know is extremely hostile to those like themselves (fat benefit claimants; the only way they could be more vilified is if they were foreigners!) and despite the fact that media has it’s own agenda which is to cast them as national hate figures.

    Whilst as I stated above I can largely accept their claims of fat-related job discrimination, I don’t believe that attributing all their current problems to their weight, or the way they’ve gone about it in the press, has aided the overall cause of fat rights – something from which they stand to benefit as much as any of us – one iota. This post itself shows how they’ve alienated most in the FA world. From a sociological perspective I do think this family’s case reveals much about how fatphobia and classism are frequently conflated, with many of the stereotypes ‘normal’ people apply to fat folk (stupid, lazy, slovenly, lacking in ambition and self-discipline). The problem is that by appearing to embody those stereotypes (even if the real picture is much more complex than that presented) they’ve helped validate that position in those who subscribe to it.

    But as I pointed out in my BFB post on this topic, it’s worth remembering that this family have experienced genuine hardship – living in a car is not fun by anyone’s standards, and I don’t particularly begrudge them the £10-12K a year (not £22K as some media claim) they’re getting (when you compare it to what you can claim by popping out unwanted and frequently unloved kids left and right, let along what the government have handed to the banks, it pales into virtual insignificance). I have great trouble condemning them because their lives don’t strike me as particularly easy even though they don’t have to work a 9-5 like others. I think people often forget that just as the ‘supermorbidlyobese’ with which the media illustrate stories about an average 15lb increase in weight over 20 years, the lurid headlines of people living the life of Riley on welfare are very much the exceptions – for most it’s demeaning, depressing and severely limits their opportunities to fully participate in the world.

  8. bigliberty says:

    I guess the reason I responded at first in the way I did was because I had read Richie’s BFB post and knew that there was a good deal of cross wires making the article quoted above very simplistic and non-representative of what was really going on.

    However, when it comes to charity I agree, it should be private and voluntary, in general. So I might as well show my “radical” colors up front on that one, in agreement with Annie. How private charities work (and work more efficiently) in comparison with public welfare, is a discussion for another day, and I don’t want to derail the thread.

    What you have here is an example of fanning the flames of a growing moral crusade/moral panic in the UK and in most of Western society re: fat people and health insurance/disability/handouts. I think it’s really less about the particular case this family presents, and more about fallaciously extrapolating from this story that *all* fat people on disability are like this family, and all fat people in general have the potential to be like this family.

    The only way a moral panic works is to convince the public that the deviant class being targeted is a threat to the public. This family, and like I said extrapolating to fat people in general, is being represented as a financial threat to the general public, in the midst of an economic recession. So the average man/woman is “tightening his belt,” while this particular family is represented as literally “growing fat” off the sacrifice, hard work, etc of others.

    When times are hard and people become desperate, they start looking around for someone to blame. Focusing on this family as the personification of “what’s wrong” with the UK (and Western society in general) is naked scapegoatism, pure and simple. It’s the creation of a deviant class over which exasperated, desperate citizens can trample and feel better about themselves.

    I may expand this comment into a full-out post where I can reference my previous posts on the obesity moral panic. 🙂

  9. anniemcphee says:

    Richie, thank you – I honestly had NO idea about all that – that’s disgusting. This was the *only* piece I have ever seen about them and I dashed it off in a hurry and fueled by two cocktails, so I’ve included an edit to the post.

    And you are right – what I failed to express properly was that my annoyance with them (as opposed to the sleazy reporting which went without saying that I know is gross) stemmed from the fact that some of what they’re doing is extremely unhelpful to the cause of fat acceptance overall. It’s almost like they’re trying to set back the whole movement, when in reality they are probably unaware of it at all. Feeding into all the negative stereotypes doesn’t help them or us, and what with the state of your media being even worse than ours on the topic, well yeah. As you’ll note above, I also understand that the job market is in a sorry state; the problem is so much of that is caused by not having a free market in the first place, so naturally they might be having a very hard time finding work. What I hadn’t even considered, so I thank you for bringing it up, is that employers might well be discriminating against them due to their weight – and I should have thought of it, because I know that it’s hard here to find a regular job where it is comfortable to be a fat person.

    But this is why I post things; I know people here will bring up other aspects that I hadn’t thought of, and make me see it in a new light.

    You’ve been on a roll, by the way – I hope you’re writing a book 😀

  10. anniemcphee says:

    Yes, BL; I absolutely understood that your agreement was with the issues of confiscatory tax “charity” and actual voluntary charity – no one in a prosperous society needs to be homeless, starving, sick without medical care – and there is almost no one on earth who *wants* people to be in such a state. It’s a matter of how we accomplish taking care of people in need, not *whether* people in need should be cared for. I believe we all agree they should be.

  11. anniemcphee says:

    LaDiDa, I wrote a response to you and my computer went flooey – I hadn’t seen your post. But I really hope they don’t have Cushings – that’s a horrible thing to have! It is pretty rare, isn’t it? And congrats on your improving asthma – mine improved a lot after I got my diagnosis (endocrine thing) a few years ago as well.

  12. richie79 says:

    Thanks Annie; sadly at the moment I’ve barely had time to read a book let alone write one! I would however heartily recommend the last one I ploughed through: Cormac McCarthy’s ‘The Road’. Bleak doesn’t quite do it justice, even by my somewhat nihilistic standards, but if you can handle it it’s an almost unbearably atmospheric piece of post-apoc Southern Gothic and, fortunately for me, a quick read 🙂

    BL, I can most definitely see where you’re coming from on the issue of welfare provision distorting attitudes to fat, yet once again I have to politely disagree with your proposed alternative. I think that whilst moving to a charity-based system would largely eliminate fraudulent claims and A (not ‘the’) major disincentive for perfectly capable people to work, and maybe defuse some of the resentment toward those who are seen to benefit from the confiscated hard-earned of others, I can’t see how it would ever meet the daily financial needs of the huge numbers of genuinely deserving cases that now exist in our complex society.

    The ‘worst case scenario’ would potentially be a return to Dickensian tales of disabled people and the jobless forced into a miserable cycle of starvation and homelessness, workhouses, prostitution, and desperation, and here’s why. Despite its acknowledged role in promoting resentment against dependent groups from the ‘mainstream’, would abolition of the welfare state eliminate fat / disability / mental health discrimination, or any other form of public or employer prejudice? Unlikely, so there will remain groups of people who are unable to find work due to discrimination yet (particularly in the case of the former) wouldn’t exactly be top of a charitable foundation’s list of priorities, and might even be dismissed altogether as being ‘capable’ of work.

    And the general public, on whom trusts and charities ultimately rely for donations, have been effectively indoctrinated to simplistically regard a disabled person who also happens to be fat as being responsible for their own situation, without considering conundrums of chickens and eggs (which brings us back round rather neatly to the Chawners!), so are far more likely to condemn than contribute. On a wider level, it’s increasingly acknowledged that many people in rich countries are currently suffering ‘compassion fatigue’, turned off donation by cynicism over the ineffectiveness and possible misuse of the funds. A private, charity-based system assumes a much more positive view of human nature than I believe exists, especially in such a cynical age.

    Even leaving all that aside and imagining for a moment that fat discrimination has been consigned to history and people rediscover their ‘inherent’ generosity toward their fellow humans (hmm), any system that relied on voluntary funding rather than a degree of redistributive compulsion would be under greatest pressure at the time it is most needed, such as in the current recession. Not so much a case of ‘won’t give’ as ‘can’t spare a bean’, not unless the Government deducts it at source anyway. Don’t get me wrong, the compulsion bit bothers me as much as it does you; I’m just not sure of whether the alternatives would end up in even worse outcomes for those in need of help. I’m not trying to claim my view is the right one or I to have any of the answers; if I did, I might consider a career in politics!

  13. presq-t'j says:

    I sympathise with your annoyance, but like richie indicated, what we’re all really paying for is fat hatred.

    If these people didn’t give a shit about being fat, I wonder if that might tip the balance for them, I know that it has for me in many ways.

    Not only that, increasing amounts of people are getting gastric banding/bypass ops on the NHS. In my view as a result mainly of internalized fat hate, this is then fed into costs of obesity to society ‘statistics’.

    So fat taxpayers (especially) end up paying for other people’s prejudice and paying for the threat to their civil rights.

    You almost couldn’t make it up!

    There’s probably more of this coming

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