Posted by: BigLiberty | April 18, 2008

I think I know why I was kicked off the Fatosphere.

I’ve been thinking about this the past two weeks. My busy schedule hasn’t really allowed me to write about it in depth, and this post might be shorter than I’d like. But I think I’ve discovered why I was kicked off the FA feed.

1. Don’t give those you dislike/disagree with link candy.

ASSUMPTION: Internet denizens are stupid, and can’t decide for themselves what is right or wrong. So if you give a site traffic and allow people to read the opposing opinion, people might agree with the opposing opinion and not yours. So you should do what you can to best suppress that opposing opinion.

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This is a form of internet boycotting. And for troll-powered or corporate sites, I understand the idea behind this. Can you really, honestly make the argument that I’m a troll? Or did I make an argument that was simply politically unacceptable by those who are currently in power, and I didn’t “shut up” at the end of the proper amount of time normally allowed for political dissenters?

2. Certain buzz-words and buzz-terms in an argument imply I can draw Conclusions X from the argument without even fully reading or attempting to comprehend the actual message being made.

For instance, there have been a bevy of “privilege” posts in the Fatosphere lately, which does not surprise me. The ones that support an idea of privilege-by-virtue-of-birth, on-topic or not, fat/thin/black/white stay up, as do the blogs. The ones that do not support this idea don’t even exist: the members of the Fatosphere that don’t agree have suppressed their voices, and the ones that would not shut up had their voices suppressed by the Fatosphere, or have been properly chastised (like for this post). Nice.

ASSUMPTION: Those who disagree with being labeled as “privileged” or “non-privileged” based on the color of their skin or the size of their waist believe that racism and/or fatism doesn’t exist.

This might be true for some people. However, the argument I was making—which is consistent with the argument of most individualists, so read close—is that individuals don’t fall into neat categories whereby you can deduce their histories, interests, jobs, experience, and so forth because you have in your hand (or on your harddrive) a sheet of statistics saying they should. I Am Not a Fucking Statistic.

Racism/fatism and so forth DO exist. I understand that there may have been times I walked into a store and had my run of the place, while a person with a different color skin/size/accent/hair color/gender could have been treated differently. I know very well not all people are color blind/size blind. I know there are obstacles to overcome that are different in nature because not all people are color blind/size blind.

My point is to weed out the hypocrisy inherent in much of the neo-Progressive viewpoint of race. By labeling people’s INSIDES based on their OUTSIDES, you are no better than a classic, stereotypical Confederate racist. You dig? I didn’t think so. I’m quite sure you believe, based on the bullshit ammunition from a hundred courses on modern forms of racism and so forth provided at heavily liberal academic institutions by extremist professors, that A does not equal A, and in fact you can cure racism by labeling people based on race, and you can cure fatism by labeling people based on size, and so forth.

Give those communities pride and power, and they will succeed, right? Individualists don’t believe in those communities. And here we come to the REAL reason I was kicked off the FA feed:

3. Individualism doesn’t square with socialism*. I.e., skepticism is the enemy of groupthink. If you allow individualism in your movement, you will have to suffer real fundamental difference of opinion, what your professors, or your parents, or the books you read, told you again and again to distrust and fear. Individualism is the enemy of socialism*, i.e., individuals are the enemies of communities.

Those who don’t accept your groupthink notions of pride, power, guilt, fear, anger as generated on a group basis, with group ideals founded in a shared skin color/size/etc, are to be distrusted and weeded out. You’ve been told these people are your enemies and that THEY are the ones that create the hate you are trying so hard to fight. These are the dangerous ones, you were told: the ones that refuse to be labeled AT THE SAME TIME understanding hate exists, and trying to fight it.

The funny thing is, it all seems to come down to a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of statistics. You seem to have got it down for Fat Science — correlation doesn’t equal causation, right? But you don’t seem to have applied that to your groupthink notions. Chew on this:

1. If 80% of white people did Thing A, you can’t assume a random white person you meet is part of the problem. Weird, huh? Cuz, yanno, you have an 80% chance of being right so you should just err on the side of the majority, and chastise them, right? Wrong.

2. If 80% of non-white people experienced Thing B, you can’t assume that the random non-white person you meet has experienced Thing B. This is easier for you to accept, I’m sure, though it’s still very easy to put out Privilege Lists and froth at the mouth when others don’t swallow your propaganda because they dare not to be labeled, correct?

3. Your enemies are: trolls, and hate propagandists. Not your own, who disagree with your politics. I know your professors and the books you’ve read have stressed that someone who disagrees with your politics is just as bad as a troll or hate propagandist, because they’re perpetuating a way of being that undermines the way you want others to be. However, by treating your own like your enemies, your interests will never, in fact, experience fruition. By alienating those that want to walk with you because they balk at some of your ideals, you split the movement. Did you read that last part? YOU, Fillyjonk, Fatsionista, Kate Harding, Fat Fu, and everyone who is trying to pretend that I wasn’t ingloriously kicked off the Fatosphere without a word because my politics disagree with the status quo, are splitting the movement.

Fat Fu’s feed is private. But if her intention is to ultimately promote Fat Acceptance, she’s not doing so by suppressing people who could bring to the movement a very large segment that is currently not being politically represented, and suppressing useful and passionate advocates against Size Discrimination.

And I’m going to make it my business to be the Fatosphere’s watchdog. For the good of the people in the movement who trust in their leadership, and who never knew how I was ostracized for being an individualist (since that information was suppressed in order to quell dissension. A typical propagandist’s move, by the way).

* edited for clarity and to avoid “weasel words” — thanks, Carl!

Responses

I hadn’t realised you had been cut. Not because I don’t enjoy your blog but because I had subbed to it outside of the fatosphere feed. So you are still being read!

Thanks, Bri. This has been pretty difficult for me; I know there are so many good people on the Fatosphere who would be willing to read my posts with a critical eye or, at the worst, avoid the posts I make with which they don’t agree and enjoy the others, so I’m not indicting the Fatosphere per se with this post. I am, however, speaking out to inform others that the leadership in the Fatosphere (which does indeed have a leadership and power center, regardless of what they may say) desires to suppress voices like mine, and treat me like a common troll.

I’m glad you subbed it — I hope others who enjoyed my blog when it was on the feed have done so, as well, since there would be no way of them knowing now that I’ve been kicked off the Fatosphere. They probably just think I’m not posting anymore. :P

Back when the Fatosphere Feed first started, my blog was on there. Then, i found i wasn’t on there anymore. If i recall correctly, it seemed to coincide with a less than user-friendly post of mine. I figured i’d been cut, and sulked about it for a while.

Come to find out, it was a system glitch. These things do happen. I do tech support for a living, so i very frequently see technology just randomly breaking and glitching.

Are you prepared to apologize to each and every one of the people you “called out” if that happens to be the case? Because if not, i can certainly understand why they wouldn’t want to see you back on the feed. Someone who assumes the worst and then acts on it with rather elaborate (and borderline conspiracy-theory) accusations… well, they aren’t really the best PR for any group, really.

I don’t know if you were kicked off the fat-fu feed or not since I don’t rely on that feed exclusively for updates on the blogs I read (I have 103 that I’m subscribed to through Google Reader, and this is one of them). I don’t let anyone tell me what I should think or believe or how I should act or with whom I should associate (never have, never will). While I may not always agree with everything you write, I will continue to read what you write because of the differences in our perspectives. You inform me, you enlighten me, sometimes you piss me off, but every bit of that broadens my horizons and informs me in some way. Information is always good, whether I always agree with it or not. At least I know how other people think and feel about this FAM. Even when we don’t always agree on everything, we still all have something to contribute, and ALL of it is useful in some way or another. YMMV, of course.

I email Fat Fu several weeks ago about this, Lindsay. Short email, just politely observing I wasn’t on the feed and wondered if there was a glitch or something. I’ve waited since then to hear something, anything, about having been dropped by accident. I haven’t made any reactionary posts. I’ve just waited. I never heard anything.

And yeah, if you want to rationalize my “accusations” as border-line conspiracy theory to make me seem more troll-y and hence make other(s) feel better about having decided to discontinue my membership on the Fatosphere, fine. I can understand the pull to do so—but I’m not the only one who has felt the displeasure of the power center of the FA movement. I’m just the only one speaking out about it.

I think it’s naive and somewhat disingenuous to pretend there isn’t a power center of the Fatosphere, at any rate. I believe similar discussions have been raised about it by other FA bloggers only just recently, expressing concerns about the image of the movement and how it seems to be represented only by a few key people.

And where there’s power, there’s corruption, and it’s also naive and disingenuous to pretend that that isn’t a concern. I haven’t been on the Fatosphere that long; I’m a new voice that went up against some of the old standards and a very vocal and powerful majority representing a certain set of political ideals, and I find myself off the feed after the third of a series of posts that was trying to address what I saw was a grave error in those ideals, without a word for weeks after inquiring, and finding myself reasonably ignored when I comment on blogs on which I used to have a decent level of dialogue.

And if indeed it was just a glitch, I apologize to Fat Fu, certainly, for including her in that accusatory list. However, do I believe the individuals mentioned besides her need a watchdog, regardless? Sure. Do I think there are many people who are unrepresented by the reigning politics of the Fatosphere, people who for some reason don’t have a voice? Sure.

Those were the points I was addressing.

And, by the way, I think the worst PR for any group is to suppress those who are passionate advocates yet are in political disagreement, and then when those who are suppressed speak up about it call them “conspiracy theorists.” Classic propagandizing move, #2.

Thanks, vesta, I know precisely what you mean. I’ve had civil disagreements with certain FA bloggers in the past, and I respected what they had to say, took their side seriously, did some research and would later post on it. However, when I found out a certain extremely influential FA blogger had posted in LiveJournal calling posters like myself and others who disagreed with Fatshionista’s fat rant post “dumbasses,” I became worried that the movement wouldn’t suffer balance and certain kinds of political disagreement. A few days later I was off the feed, and it’s been weeks and I have not heard back from Fat Fu on the status on my blog.

Mkay, so maybe i phrased things a bit wrong… Lemme try this again.

It might have been an accident, it might have been on purpose: either way, i have no way of knowing.

If you made a negative claim about me that turned out to be false, i personally would be less upset about the original statement and way more upset by your refusal to apologize for it. My not wanting to associate with you after that would have jack-all to do with “propaganda” or “political disagreements” and everything to do with thinking you’re a jerk who can’t apologize when they’ve fucked up.

That’s fair. I would most certainly apologize to those people for me thinking they had a hand in getting me off the Fatosphere if in fact that didn’t happen; however, in terms of the “dumbass” remark and my alarm because of it, and other concerns like that, what I’ve said would still stand.

There are a couple of different threads in my post, which encompass both what I believe (and that is truly believe, I don’t know a damn thing because I was never responded to) about the Fatosphere feed thing, and what I think are larger problems in the movement.

Thanks for the clarification.

I just want to note that none of this is easy for me to write. I’m not a finger-pointer, and I feel quite sick bringing any of this up. Maybe I’ve got balls for doing it, or maybe it’s just the Aspie in me, but when I perceive something wrong I can’t be quiet about it, no matter how popular it might or might not be.

And with that, I’m going to close comments. This is making me ill, and I can’t focus on my job or anything. Sorry, I wish I had more fortitude to argue further, but I hope what I’ve posted and the comments I’ve made have made my concerns clear and attempted to clarify my position.

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